Larry the Crystal Guy e-mailed me the following discussion from a science forum. It’s ancient, but interesting. The exchange begins with an inquiry from a citizen with a rust problem. I’ve reproduced the authors’ typos and larger morsels of stupidity unedited…
I have recently acquired a large trunk for sotring things in, however the metal on the edges and corners has gone very rusty, through being sat in a cupboard for a long time. Anyone have any ideas, or know any good ways for how I can get rid of it? Cheers!
After one board member suggested using vinegar and a second—predictably—told the original poster to search Google, in stepped user lightarrow, a “Hero Member” of the forum:
The best chemical I know to dissolve rust is hydrofluoric acid HF. Here in italy is sold in dilute acqueous solution (~10%) to use with textiles. On the other hand, it’s better not to use more concentrated solutions or there is the risk to attack the metal too. If you want to use it with a piece of metal, you should find a way to make the solution in a gel or sirup form, otherwise the solution slips away and/or dries too quickly. Once, I dissolved a large amount of sugar to that solution for this purpose (but there will surely be better ways than this one); of course the reactivity is lower.
Yes, please, don’t use anything more concentrated because it might damage the metal. And just ignore the mild burning sensation—that just means it’s working. Ugh. The next day and several posts later, daveshorts (another “Hero Member”) weighed in with safety concerns:
Don’t go anywhere near HF, working in a materials lab for 5 years, this was the only chemical people were actually scared of – a suggested damage limitation measure invovles an axe! If you get it on your skin it will get rapidly into your flesh and then proceed to break down your bones…
Affronted, lightarrow defended his advice:
I wrote: “dilute acqueous solution (~10%)”. It’s sold in most supermarkets! I have tried oxalic acid, phosphoric acid and acetic acid (the active chemical in vinegar) and only HF works, unless the rust is thin or in a “good” composition/physical structure. Infact, rust is not a specific compound, it can vary from Fe(OH)3 to FeOOH to Fe2O3..ecc. The first form, Fe(OH)3, is the easiest to remove chemically. But try to dissolve Fe2O3 with vinegar or oxalic acid. (I have tried).
I’ve been to a supermarket in Italy, but I don’t recall seeing 10% HF. Maybe I missed it behind the gnocchi?
Seriously, kiddies…don’t try this at home. Hydrofluoric acid can do
bad, bad things to you (warning: gross). I would not characterize 10% HF as “dilute”, either.